Is Horse Riding Cruel? Is It Vegan?


What is the vegan stance on horseback riding?
Is riding horses cruel? Well, get ready to get controversial! Hi it’s Emily from Bite Size Vegan and welcome
to another vegan nugget. Today’s topic is something that I’ve been asked to cover
by may of you out there, especially recently, so I’ve been doing my research. I want to
first give thanks to Fair Horsemanship for all of her assistance and I’ll tell you
how to get connected with her later in the video. I’m first going to address the question
of whether or not riding horses is vegan and then I’ll move onto whether it’s cruel.
As I said in my video about wool, veganism, in general, is about opposing the use of animals
for our own personal gains in any form whatsoever. If we look at horseback riding, it’s evident
that horses do not need to be ridden. Horseback riding solely benefits the rider and so it
is a form of using animals for our entertainment, which is explicitly not vegan. Now this is not a popular stance and there
are several arguments as to how riding benefits the horse. One of these is that domesticated
horses need exercise. The most simple response to this is that domesticated dogs also need
exercise, yet owners are able to provide this without having to mount them. A second argument
is that riding provides a horse with an enriched environment. Again, this can be as easily
be achieved without someone atop them by walking the horse from the ground. A third argument
is one that comes in many forms but always starts with “By my horse loves…” and
ends with: being ridden, going to shows, wearing a bridle, having a bit, running the barrels,
or what have you. And perhaps there is some horse out there who actually likes to be ridden.
But let’s take a look at what riding does to a horse’s body physically. What I’m going
to cover is just a cursory look into the impact of horseback riding on horses. I have links
to additional resources in the blog post for this video, which is linked in the video description
and I urge you to reference those studies if you want to delve deeper into his topic.
Let’s start with skeletal structure. There is a saying that a horse is ready to ride
when their “knees close.” This refers to waiting until the growth plates just above
their knees convert from cartilage to bone. Dr. Den Bennet in her article Timing And Rate
Of Skeletal Maturation In Horses, states that “what people often don’t realize is that
there is a “growth plate” on either end of every bone behind the skull, and in the
case of some bones (like the pelvis or vertebrae, which have many ‘corners’) there are multiple
growth plates.” She goes on to detail the exact schedule of growth plate conversion
to bone in horses. While many people start riding their horses around the age of 2, Dr.
Bennet’s schedule shows that the last plates to fuse are in the vertebral column- and this
does not occur until the horse is at least five and a half years old, with taller horses
and males taking even longer. According to the text Practical Anatomy and Propaedeutic
of the Horse, the length of time for complete growth of the epiphyseal plates, or cartilage,
is not until they are (on average) between 6 and 9 years old! The basic takeaway of all of that is that
it’s incredibly easy to damage a horse’s back and displace his or her vertebral growth plates,
causing pain and lasting injury. Aside from the issue of growth plate fusion,
riding a horse at any age causes skeletal damage as well as muscle and tissue. Expert
horseman, Alexander Nevzorov states “A horse’s back is not a seat, not a place for a human
butt, not a piece of “meat”, not some sort of “terra fir- ma”. It is a very
complex and tender anatomical structure with extraordinary functions. Besides the obvious
biomechanical function, the back has another very important function. The spinal cord’s
work is to guarantee that the responses from the entire nervous system can communicate
the senses of taste, smell, vision, hearing, and vestibular function to the brain, not
to get lost in too much detail. On this especially vulnerable, sensitive organ, onto the medulla
spinalis, the brain of the back, sits a rider.” In a 2007 study out of the 295 horses who
were considered physically sound upon initial examination, 91.5% were diagnosed with some
kind of alteration on the spinal processes after X-ray. Almost always the spinal processes
of the caudal saddle position were affected. In horseback riding, the spinal damage caused
by weight alone is compounded by the use of saddles, harnesses, bits, and whips. Saddles
restrict blood flow to the arterial capillary bed causing tissue damage, as well as general
wear and chafing. But nothing is quite as cruel as the use of bits and whips- which
I’m only going to give a cursory nod to in this video. Bits cause pain and damage to a horse’s
complex cranial nerves as well as their teeth, tongue and palate. Facial nerves are extremely
close to the skin and thus extremely sensitive. It is essential to understand that there is
absolutely no way to use a bit without a horse feeling pain. And since I’m running short on time here,
I’ll just say this about using a whip: it’s a whip! Now all of this is just barely scraping the
surface of the horse issue. I haven’t even addressed the practice of breaking horses,
horse racing, the rodeo and other topics and I’ll cover those in future videos. For great
information on horse-friendly activities from the ground and with positive reinforcement,
please head over to Fair Horsemanship’s channel as well as check out her website.
She’s a great resource on this topic. Give the video a thumbs up if you likes it
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100 thoughts on “Is Horse Riding Cruel? Is It Vegan?

  1. Horses DO NEED to be ridden. All horses need excersize and some horses actually do like to be ridden considering horses have something called a "personality". Sorry to say but horses generally need 2-3 hours of excersize and they are not going to get that by walking them like a dog. Not to mention, how the fuck do you handle a frightened horse after a vehicle disturbs the animal. It's just as dangerous to be walking a frightened horse.

  2. I lost so many brain cells watching this and reading the vEgAns who comment thinking they know stuff about riding

  3. Quote from Nevzorov's Haute Ecole Equine Anthology
    "It is enough to look at the nerve patterns in a horse's back to understand how sensitive it is. It is no accident of course that the anatomical structure of the horse's nervous system is so extraordinarily well constructed.

    Besides the obvious biomechanical function, the back has another very important function. The spinal cord's work is to guarantee that the responses from the entire nervous system can communicate the the senses of taste, smell, vision, hearing, and vestibular function to the brain, not to get lost in too much detail.
    On this especially vulnerable, sensitive organ, onto the medulla spinalis, the brain of the back, sits a rider.

    It isn't a conventional way to think that the horse's back is the home of the spinal cord brain and is not made for any external loadings, it has completely different functions.
    A horse's back is not a seat, not a place for a human butt, not a piece of 'meat', not some sort of 'terra-firma'. It is a very complex and tender anatomical structure with extraordinary functions.
    Without any harm being done, without alarming the nerves or progressing to pain or damage, is it possible for a rider to sit astride a horse's back?
    It is!"
    And look! It's Nevzorov sitting astride! On a horse's back.
    https://www.writingofriding.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/alexander-nevzorov-piaffe.jpg
    Next time you use a quote, use it in the context it was written.
    Also, not a single saddle actually sits directly on the horse's spine. Look up what a "gullet" is and it's function.
    English:
    https://pro-polo-saddles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/changullet.jpg
    https://schleese.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/p-154-D-web.jpg
    Western:
    http://www.western-saddle-guide.com/images/sheepskin.jpg
    http://sandybottomtrailrides.net/images/sitedesign/trailrides-1.jpg

  4. "This is not a popular opinion" proceeds to give the same ignorant vegan police view you can find in any facebook group

  5. Entertainment at the expense of animals isn't vegan. Having fun together with an animal should be perfectly fine. Not every interaction with animals is automatically "cruelty".
    I realize she corrected herself when editing the video, but the mere fact that she thought riding horses at age 2 was normal at the time of filming, shows that she hasn't actually done much research outside of obviously biased sources.
    Jogging is bad for human knees, yet people still consider it to be an activity that boosts your health. That's because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, just like horse riding. It's perfectly fine as long as it's done in moderation. Professional horse sports are indeed unhealthy because they overdo it, (possibly with the exception of dressage, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to be sure,) but taking a horse on a trail ride every now and then is perfectly fine.
    By the way, did you know that playing fetch with your dog can also be unhealthy for their joints? (Every time the dog catches up with the ball and digs his heels in to slow down, the front legs get pounded with the pressure of the dog's momentum.) Does that make it abuse? No, because the decrease in health is not significant enough to override the benefits.

  6. Es una muy vieja controversia Incluso yo me la he planteado; veo todos los dias caballos abusados : Flacos ,sucios, rotos, llevando cargas abusivas en el ruido del transito ahogado por el humo de los camiones que circulan. En los rodeos heridos por espuelas y castigados con rebenque . Si. Esto es MALO y debe ser erradicado ..pero montar a caballo como hice cuando niño en pelo y sin nada mas que un bozal de piola no es malo es HERMOSO y jamas use de silla. No me gusta ,ni espuelas ni fustas. Considero el caballo un regalo de Dios Un amigo con el cual los hombres son ayudados en su trabajo y juegos Ellos tiene su dolores su momentos en que no quieren nada Como tambien sus momentos en que se aburren tremendamente…. Y me traia la piolita para salir a a jugar ! El lo disfrutaba enormemente .corriendo y retozando .No veo nada malo en esto. Ya soy viejo de 70 años hace mucho que no monto a caballo Pero sostengo que ya sea por placer por trabajo o lo que sea deben ser amables con el "socio" ensillarlo correctamente ver que no se hiera o le duela algo ,que sus herraduras sean bien colocadas , que el trabajo no se convierta en un campo de tortura no pincharle las costillas para que corcovee ,ni pegarle para que ande o corra Si vamos a disfrutar de una montada que se entre amigos el equino y yo A pelo y con un bozal de piola como en mis epocas de niño

  7. Everyone keeps complaining that she know nothing about horse riding. That’s not the point. The video is on whether it is vegan to ride a horse. You don’t have to ride a horse to know that we do it for our personal preference. I think she knows exactly what she is saying, you don’t have to ride a horse to be an expert, these days everything is on the internet, and yes, you may know a little more by physically riding them since you spend time to get to know their behaviour and personality. But everything you need to know about riding a horse and being vegan has easy evidence of the answer. Just stop being so horrible to her, she is just getting a point across to help people.

  8. Your only focusing on the bad there is a lot of good things about horse riding and you don’t smack the horse with a whip you just remind them to keep going kindly

  9. i was sitting hear DIEYING, as a equestrian we all know that she dosent ride horses and knows nothing about them. And i love how she uses pictures of "Abuse" and people fucking yanking their rains. Like what in the actual fuck. If your going to have or stand up for your opinion actually do the correct research and dont just show the abuseive bitches out their pulling on their ranes. like? WEAH?

  10. If you ride them correctly and look after them well it is vegan, a lot of horses actually do enjoy it

  11. Right, whips are a tool used to guide the horse and make your instructions more clear, they should never be used as punishment but unfortunately some people do. Bits do not cause pain if they are used properly, they apply a small amount of pressure to help the horse know what to do, people do occasionally pull to hard or use a harsh bit which can hurt but that is why there are bitless bridals. If you ride well then your body moves with the horse so that they are comfortable. Most horses enjoy being ridden and they need the exercise. Unfortunately there are people who don't do things correctly which ends up with the horse being unhappy or in pain but that doesn't mean that the whole thing is cruel. I am vegetarian, and I want to be a vet. If it was cruel I wouldn't do it

  12. OH COME ON! Horse riding is not abuse, I am vegi- and my cousin is vegan. Its so many rescues who ride horses well. CRITICIZE HORSE RACING AND SLAUGHTER. oMG.

  13. OMG I DONT LIKE BITS, I DONT LIKE NO PADS, I DO NOT BOUNCE IN THE SADDLE. I AM CAREFUL. If people did not care for their riding horse they would not have 3+ pads!

  14. Comment by Martine Brie (yes i copyed to spam it again .-.)
    I think you only put the bad things in front. When you are talking about
    riding, you only show pictures of bad riding. You never mentioned what
    the muscles does for the back if you ride in a good way. You never
    mentioned what the principle forward-down in dressage does for the back.
    You show pictures of people pulling on their reins but that's not horse
    riding. Their are also ways to ride without a bit or even without
    bridle. You never mentioned what a good sadle does, what correct
    training does, what the combination of natural horsemanship and riding
    does. Horse riding is more than what you see in the first place. I don't
    assume bad riding doesn't excist and I truely know there is more bad
    than good riding but you see it really in black and white. you assume
    every rider is the same, well believe me, that's not the fact. If you do
    some more effort and get more experience in this, you will maybe see
    the difference between riders. I assume you don't understand if you
    never had ridden a horse yourself in a correct way…

  15. Comment by Martine Brie (yes i copyed to spam it again .-.)
    I think you only put the bad things in front. When you are talking about
    riding, you only show pictures of bad riding. You never mentioned what
    the muscles does for the back if you ride in a good way. You never
    mentioned what the principle forward-down in dressage does for the back.
    You show pictures of people pulling on their reins but that's not horse
    riding. Their are also ways to ride without a bit or even without
    bridle. You never mentioned what a good sadle does, what correct
    training does, what the combination of natural horsemanship and riding
    does. Horse riding is more than what you see in the first place. I don't
    assume bad riding doesn't excist and I truely know there is more bad
    than good riding but you see it really in black and white. you assume
    every rider is the same, well believe me, that's not the fact. If you do
    some more effort and get more experience in this, you will maybe see
    the difference between riders. I assume you don't understand if you
    never had ridden a horse yourself in a correct way…

  16. Comment by Martine Brie (yes i copyed to spam it again .-.)
    I think you only put the bad things in front. When you are talking about
    riding, you only show pictures of bad riding. You never mentioned what
    the muscles does for the back if you ride in a good way. You never
    mentioned what the principle forward-down in dressage does for the back.
    You show pictures of people pulling on their reins but that's not horse
    riding. Their are also ways to ride without a bit or even without
    bridle. You never mentioned what a good sadle does, what correct
    training does, what the combination of natural horsemanship and riding
    does. Horse riding is more than what you see in the first place. I don't
    assume bad riding doesn't excist and I truely know there is more bad
    than good riding but you see it really in black and white. you assume
    every rider is the same, well believe me, that's not the fact. If you do
    some more effort and get more experience in this, you will maybe see
    the difference between riders. I assume you don't understand if you
    never had ridden a horse yourself in a correct way…

  17. Comment by Martine Brie (yes i copyed to spam it again .-.)
    I think you only put the bad things in front. When you are talking about
    riding, you only show pictures of bad riding. You never mentioned what
    the muscles does for the back if you ride in a good way. You never
    mentioned what the principle forward-down in dressage does for the back.
    You show pictures of people pulling on their reins but that's not horse
    riding. Their are also ways to ride without a bit or even without
    bridle. You never mentioned what a good sadle does, what correct
    training does, what the combination of natural horsemanship and riding
    does. Horse riding is more than what you see in the first place. I don't
    assume bad riding doesn't excist and I truely know there is more bad
    than good riding but you see it really in black and white. you assume
    every rider is the same, well believe me, that's not the fact. If you do
    some more effort and get more experience in this, you will maybe see
    the difference between riders. I assume you don't understand if you
    never had ridden a horse yourself in a correct way…

  18. Comment by Martine Brie (yes i copyed to spam it again .-.)
    I think you only put the bad things in front. When you are talking about
    riding, you only show pictures of bad riding. You never mentioned what
    the muscles does for the back if you ride in a good way. You never
    mentioned what the principle forward-down in dressage does for the back.
    You show pictures of people pulling on their reins but that's not horse
    riding. Their are also ways to ride without a bit or even without
    bridle. You never mentioned what a good sadle does, what correct
    training does, what the combination of natural horsemanship and riding
    does. Horse riding is more than what you see in the first place. I don't
    assume bad riding doesn't excist and I truely know there is more bad
    than good riding but you see it really in black and white. you assume
    every rider is the same, well believe me, that's not the fact. If you do
    some more effort and get more experience in this, you will maybe see
    the difference between riders. I assume you don't understand if you
    never had ridden a horse yourself in a correct way…

  19. I'm vegetarian not vegan, but Who says, "My horse loves having a bit!"? And people DON'T RIDE DOGS BECAUSE DOGS ARE WAY TO SMALL!!!!! If my horse really doesn't want me to be on her, I end up on the ground. Also from 1:48 this only apply's to one discipline, horse racing, do you know how many disciplines there are in the equestrian world? You are only focusing on some groups of bad equestrians, you can't generalize that this is the whole sport. You could have titled the video is Horse Racing Vegan? or Are bits Vegan?

  20. Point 1. "domesticated dogs also need exercise"
    They're too small to ride, duh.

    Point 2. "riding provides a horse with an enriched environment that can be provided by walking them"
    You'd have to be Mo Farrah to be able to walk a horse enough for it to exercise it to the level it needs.

    Horses have been selectively bred over thousands of years to make them what they are today. They need exercising and the best way to do that is to sit on them. They are more than strong enough for that. It;'s like saying cars need to be released into the wild. It's daft.

  21. Deep down inside I knew there was something wrong with the way we humans exploit our fellow living beings!!! That's why I always stay away from place where they are exploited! I even get disturbed going into pet stores!!! To put the icing on the cake I worked at a pet store for about a year! I could always feel something wrong about working there! Like I was going against my morals!!! Because come on we mass produce them to sell them for our greed!!! How many lives were taken through the process!!!

  22. Well people make money using horses like in rodeos shows and other stuff so i mean we kinda like need them

  23. I think it is a use of animal, which technically is not vegan. But, it can have some form of consent, which I think turns it vegan again. Or a horse can be “broken” (probably not the correct word to use) or forced into giving in and letting the rider do what they want. Which, I’m not sure is vegan or not.

  24. And we don't NEED to get jobs or care for children, but I think it's better than we'd do that ^

    Also, you say we do it for entertainment, although the very reason we began to domesticate horses was for transportation and farming reasons.

    Without horses we probably wouldn't be as advanced as we are. And without 99.99% of vegans we would definitely be more advanced

  25. When you started talking about the saddles I lost it. A saddle that fits the horse properly would never do those damages. Please before you make a video about horses you should educate yourself.

  26. Okay here is the list of abusive things about horse riding:
    Fox hunts
    Horse racing
    Mounted police
    Certain bits
    Some horse owners

    It takes care and dedication to take care and own a horse. This lady clearly has not done her research or is an active rider as if she was, she would know that riding is exercise for you and your horse. If it causes skeletal damage, why are all the horses around today having no back troubles. All riding horses at my stables have been checked by my saddler and vet, they are fine.

  27. About they’re back…it doesn’t harm they’re back IF you know how to sit properly in your seat. If you use your thighs and sit low in the saddle this causes you to not bounce up and down on the horses back…it’s just not cruel

  28. Geez. Saying, "Is horseback riding vegan?" is like if I said, "Is basketball vegatarian?" Just because it involves an animal does not mean it has anything to do with being vegan. And just because some people are cruel to horses, does not make the sport itself cruel.

  29. Its the horses Choice , If that horse didnt want to be ridden then that horse would get his wish , And the rider would have a face full of blood , mud and shit. of coarse some horses are abused into submission but thats a different problem.

  30. “Animal cruelty” butt! as a devoted rider if you do it right no its not cruel. If you think that it is “cruel” your an idiot

  31. Not all horse riding is bad.. my friend is vegan and she's ridden all her life. She loves her horse, she rides bitless with a bareback pad. My god.

  32. Hi! I’m a lifelong equestrian, and have extensively studied equine physiology, anatomy, as well as biomechanics and the effects our tack and position has on our animals. I’m wondering how you can claim this video is a trove of factual information when you only show the worse case scenarios, and refuse to mention the precautionary measures that equestrians take to ensure the safety and comfort of our animals. On top of that, your photo ‘proof’ shows only worse case scenarios, such as the result of years of poor saddle fit or bits being used incorrectly. Wide saddle channels distribute weight out and away from the spine, instead spreading the weight over a multitude of longissumus and latissimus muscles. No well-fitting saddle touches the spine. On top of that, a major part of horseback riding is the proper engagement of the horse under saddle, meaning, the way they carry the rider. By encouraging a lifted rib cage, the vertebrae are lifted into a neutral, comfortable position, stretching the muscles along the top line of the horse. This kind of proper engagement prevents all kinds of back trauma!! Riders themselves also make many efforts to minimize the effects of riding on their horses back such as developing seat and core muscles to sit with each gait. This is not mentioning the bodywork done on them, such as massages, chiropractic work, acupuncture, PEMF therapy and so on. The extensive measures taken to ensure a horse’s comfort were not so much mentioned in this video, which is a major disservice to your audience as they do not have the full picture of what goes into a riding horse.

  33. 3:54–3:55 this obviously someone who has NOT taken care of the horse and does not mean all people in the equine word ride horses who backs and girth’s look like that

  34. If you can't use animals to be happy don't have pets. Vegans always want to have their cake and eat it too. By your logic you can't use animals for pleasure then maybe you shouldn't own pets, because people get pets for companions, to make themselves happy. That's using pets for pleasure right there. And I'm not horse expert but horses have strong backs, they're BREAD to have that. It's not the same like riding a cow, and you guys cherry pick info that's for sure.

  35. Can I just say its worse for a horse to be walked like a dog everyday that horse would be so obese one thing this video doesn't mention is how strong horses are even so many equestrians underestimate a horses power I do agree that horses should not be trained until they are fully at their height and their bones are finished growing but it does not take more than 4 years for that to happen there is something called a 20%weight rule if your more than 20 % of the horses weight u shouldn't ride and if a horse wants u off they will throw u off they could kill us if they wanted to they choose not to and now for bits if u didn't know there are no teeth in the back of their mouth a horses mouth is huge and ur not supposed to pull the bit hard u are supposed to pull so gently as it can hurt them but u shouldn't pull enough to hurt them there are softer bits which I agree with some people do buy some horrific bits that will cause pain the photos used it this video it total abuse the bit is supposed to be resting or steering or give a signal to slow down there are a lot of miss trained riders out there they are not all though everyone is entitled to a opinion of vegans believe animals shouldn't be used for humans pleasure (which its for the animals too) then do want to do but don't say riding is abuse its been around for almost forever and with time things improve

  36. Oh gosh, the comments… anyway, thanks for the video! I wanted to backpack Michigan's Shore to Shore Trail, but it's mainly for horses and I was looking for a way to make me feel more comfortable around horses being riden since I'd be around it, but I think I'm just going to find a different trail to hike since I would feel terrible seeing them get hurt all day.

  37. I would also like to say that if you want to believe your horse is happy, you're going to look for only that. Many people choose to ignore that their animals, kids, spouses, etc are unhappy because they obey and are scared of them. They might love when you pet them and give them food, but get stressed with the back pain. They might not know anything else

  38. The first statement just annoyed me. Some people ride for stress relief. If the horse didnt like it he could buck you up to the moon. They ENJOY it. Their ears are an indication like cats. When you see an upset horse their ears will be back. When they are calm or happy they are at the front. When they are listening they flicker. Its not abuse. Its only abuse if you whip them for NO REASON

  39. A person should choose to ride a horse with the health of the horse in mind. There are ways. Horses are social beings and like the companionship of people if done right. Horses like to please and do have a sense of accomplishment when thier human friend is happy. Never over exercise or stress your horse. Sharing the beauty of exercise and scenic discoveries together pleases both horse and rider. Ride your horse for both you and your horse's benefit.

  40. How fucking stupid are people in this comment section!?
    First of all, if a horse didn't like anything on his back it wouldn't be there. You (a 110lb human who has a lot of bones to break) cannot force yourself on the back of a 1000lb strength gifted animal who can easily send you to the hospital or your grave. People like to say "well how would you like it to be ridden?" First of all, a humans anatomy and stance, strength, and all that good stuff is completely different than a horses four legged structure.
    Second of all, I would like to put this in the air.
    Horses are trained gently to be ridden at a young age. If he isn't willing to work with the saddle after a while, he will be either a buddy horse or a pasture pet. (Slaughter house discussion will come later.)
    Third of all, just like people, horses can actually enjoy their jobs. If they don't, they will show signs of discomfort and the horse will either have a new career or be a pasture pet. Depends on what the owner wants to do with them.
    If people are owning a horse, 99% of the time it's to ride them. A horse can carry a human just fine. It's like us carrying a baby or a bookbag. Not that heavy, and it can easily be dumped on the floor. Horses are expensive to keep, maintain, and it's not really fun to have a much faster and heavier animal than us to excersize on foot. Get a fucking dog to walk and not a 1000 pound animal.
    If you treat your horse like a member of your family, and give it a good home, it can teach you and love you back.
    Now for the dreaded slaughter house discussion (vegans buckle up)
    If a horse ends up in a kill pen, it's because A. The owner doesn't want it and is a fucking fucking idiot B. The horse has an injury that makes it unusable
    C. The horse had done something bad and the family didn't know what to do with it
    Or D. The owners weren't prepared to have the responsibility of owning a horse so they dumped it.
    Not every horse owner is abusive
    Riding a horse isn't cruel if done properly
    You are a fucking idiot who needs to be put on a horse and see the amazing experience
    Shut the fuck up and look into it and don't base your opinions on the fact that you eat and fuck yourself with some celery

    I rest my case

  41. this is so wrong haha. 1. horses have been bred for thousands of years to be ridden, so it has gotten a lot better for the horse to be ridden. also, if a rider rides properly the horse is comfortable. 2. BITS ARENT ABUSE. i have a thoroughbred and i use the lightest bit possible and he has never been in any discomfort. it is all about soft hands. if a rider rides properly the horse is fine. 3. you only showed the bad parts of horseback riding. there are so many benefits for the rider and the horse from therapeutic uses to exercise. there are many disabled people that ride horses and it makes their week being able to feel the movement of being on horseback. this video is so wrong and inaccurate. yes, there is abuse in the horse industry but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t people who truly love horses and care for them properly.

  42. Wow… You obviously haven't been "doing your research". Every picture that was shown was of bad riders, or riders that are being cruel or mean to the animal. I haven't seen or heard such a ridiculous video on Youtube in a while. I have 2 horses and use saddles, bridles, bits, and whips, and my horses still love me and are doing amazing. I barrel race on one and she clearly enjoys it. Don't tell me she doesn't because I have never gotten such a positive reaction from her the entire time that I've owned her. She's a rescue. ;D The other is a 20 year old Hanoverian and he is full of energy and life and he's been ridden since he was 2 years old. So don't tell me horseback riding is cruel. It may not be vegan, but then I'm not either… lol.

    Also… horses are 1000-2000 pound animals. If something was seriously wrong or someone was being cruel to them, they do NOT have to put up with it. Not trying to hate, but with a good rider, horseback riding is certainly not cruel.

  43. I know many horses who like being ridden, when done correctly. I have a lease horse whom I ride bridleless, and she wouldn't do anything if she didn't want to

  44. Well this is kinda funny 😂. Omg please get educated. It's clear that u know nothing about the equine industry. If anyone wants I can elaborate 😂

  45. Is it right to controll an animal to do what YOU want it to do? How you want it to act and behave? Because the animal can not speak and has to follow your commands? definitely not.

    there is no reason for humans to ride horses, only because of money, sport and because we want to. no one ever asked the horse, and we exploited their calm nature. horse racing, horse riding and everything in between i believe is wrong. horses are made to run and jump, but not with us on their backs. I wonder when people will realize how wrong it is.

  46. 4:21 Whips aren't considered cruel if used correctly. If you start violently hitting the horse multiple times then yes it will harm the horse. But if you have common sense and know how to handle a whip then it's not considered badly hurting the horse.

  47. The pictures showing harm is only when people do stuff wrong. If you know what youre doing is causes no harm. You dont have to ride in a bit or use spurs or anything like that. I ride in a halter and my horse doesnt mind her work. She always runs right up to me in the pasture. I you only cause harm is you dont know what your doing.

  48. No one gives a fuck secondarily horses have been bred for this for thousands of years my friend as long as they are treated properly they’ll be fine he just got a wait until it’s mature before you actually start riding the bloody thing

  49. This comment section is why vegans have a negative stigma. Y'all really can't relax and think that never interacting with any animal, ever, because 'they have to live their natural life' somehow makes you a better person. 

    The horse I ride goes insane when he's not ridden or exercised, and he lives in an enormous field that takes me 6 minutes to walk around the perimeter of. It's something he enjoys, which is made clear by how excited he gets when he sees someone come up to him with a halter. 
    (Don't get me wrong, he is an exception, not many horses show that much visible excitement about being ridden, and I'm not denying that there are some disgusting people in the equestrian world, but that doesn't mean equestrianism as a whole is cruel.)

    Trust me, when you build a genuine relationship with a horse based on respect and communication, it's a beautiful thing. It's not a slave-master dynamic, it's a partnership. (Trust me, the horse is a hell of a lot stronger than me and can get me off his back whenever he wants)

    Just because a few idiots that own horses have ruined that partnership doesn't mean horse riding is cruel.

  50. Ok one most horses like to be ridden and love shows it really does not cause skeletol and muscle damage as long as the equipment is placed correctly please let me see some proof. Meet a snaffle bit it dosen't cause any lots of pain take a seat

  51. I'm vegan and I'll never stop horse riding (I respectfully riding with bitless bridle and I only do flatwork and little trekking). Inconsistent? Maybe and fuck off vegan extremists. I'm vegan because I don't want to kill animals and the only wrong exploits are those of wild animals.

  52. Its funny your information about people start riding a horse at the age of 2 because the back of a child at that age is not complete. If you have a child you will damage his/her back by doing so. It means your search is not quite good. Only after 6 years children should start to ride a horse and its on this age that they can learn better. Before that its just to seat on top of the horse.

  53. I have looked after 10 horses for the past 8 years. I can guarantee that they just want food, and to be left the fuck alone. Just because you can groom them into submission (like a child molester or pimp might do) doesn't mean the horses would normally CHOOSE to carry a rider.

  54. I don't think that saying that the use of non-human animals for human purposes is inherently not vegan. By that logic, I think we would say that having animal companions like dogs is not vegan, simply because we use them to increase our mood levels and give us comfort. Veganism is against the exploitation of non-human animals for human purposes, in that if the usage of a non-human animal harms them. Admittedly though, most of the time usage of non-human animals and exploitation of them go hand in hand.

  55. This video is exactly the type of video that doesn't show you what it wants being a horse trainer my self and breaking colts since I was 16 I know that most horses don't have spinal issues due to weight and pressure if they do have a spinal problem it's due to a issue that would not relate to the saddle but to what we feed and condition your equine companion with

  56. 2nd nevzorov haute ecole is full of shit his methods have nothing to do with working with a horse but more of how to treat your horse like a dog

  57. And third the issue I have with this video is when she mentions bits and bridles all the pictures that she shows is what happens when you don't properly know rein management and how to position your self correctly with the horse a bit is usually used as either leverage or direct pressure and is used to signal the horse on which direction or commandment you would like them to do

  58. If you wouldn't "own" a horse without actually riding upon their back, then you can't say you love horses. I think horses should be loved the same way many cats are loved which does not require the animal to provide something for the human. What makes them different from each other than the cost of taking care of them? If you can say that you love horse riding but not the actual horses then you are definitely not vegan.

  59. For one horse riding isn’t that cruel and it’s nit entertainment we equestrian don’t just go ride in front of people the horse likes it to or we wouldn’t do it

  60. And it depends how you ride the horse if it damages it’s back of it does damage the horse your riding wrong so how about you stop searching for negative things like research isn’t even true.

  61. And where all taking a risk of life or death we love our horse pony’s foals and yearlings we that’s why we take the risk for them and the horse wouldn’t do it if it was in pain so and half of these photo are by animal abusers plus if you put the tack on wrong or to tight it’s gonna hurt it I do disagree with horse racing and rodeos tho

  62. There is a thing called a saddle pad. And anyone who says bad things about horse riding clearly hasn't had a connection to one. It's like cuddling a cat but much more, they UNDERSTAND you so if you do ride them then you would ride them and your horse is your partner. Bits would only hurt if it isn't put in correctly or if it's dirty. Plus the horses that I ride seem to enjoy being ridden.

  63. SO TRUE! These type off so called animal lovers/equestrians enoy me . So two faced/hypocritical. Horses don't even want to be rode! Horses can exercise themselves in the field. Most of the time the poor horses are getting rode/jumped lame, injured etc.. all for the sake of human enjoyment. Discusting they don't really care about there so called " beloved horse", if they did they would not do it.

  64. I hate everything about this video. It's all about how you ride. Many people who ride horses to win competitions literally do not care how their horse reacts to bad equipment.

    You can't use only bad examples in the video. There are anatomic bridles (which you pronounced wrong) that are made not to fuck with the horse's blood flow and head stance, as well as holding the bit in the position which can't in any way hurt a horse's mouth and teeth. There are saddles, saddle pads and girths which are specifically designed for a specific horse. 90% of equestrians don't use whips to beat the fuck out of a horse.

    You're uneducated, deluded and incredibly rude. As I said, you're only using bad examples with a cute song in the background to make it all cheery.

    And seriously, only 12 year olds say horses love being ridden. No sane person would ever say that. I do understand horse riding is benefiting just the rider.

  65. I'm getting a horse and I consider this absolutely ridiculous I've ridden three (or two) times at a riding school and I don't care if this is vegan or not it's if my horse is happy also horses have been domesticated and ridden since the medieval times or longer

    I'm not being mean though
    And sorry Peta but I'm not vegan I eat mc donald's
    And pork and beef
    But I don't eat horse meat

    WOW IM A CARNIVORE

  66. If you've never lived with or had any horses, than you are not an expert on a anything horse, duh. Why would anyone listen to this idiot? I've never had a baby, but I wouldn't look for advice or understanding of babies from someone like me who's never had one. I've known many horses of all kinds and been vegan for decades but I have zero interest in this freaks opinions on anything. Especially horses. She's obviously just more of an expert and qualified on looking REALLY freakish. LMAO

  67. A horses body is not for humans to exploit and use. If you truly love horses, you'd respect their boundaries and freedom. I mean, you can't ask their permission for you to ride them so its a forced act.

    End of story!

  68. Most horses do need to be ridden. They need to be exercised, and riding is the best way of it. Lunging isn’t going to make a horse healthy enough. Walking a horse on terrain isn’t going to make it healthy enough. People do not ride horses at age 2, except in the racing industry which isn’t good. People usually start a horse at age 4-5. A horse needs to be trained at faster gaits on more complex terrains or with a rider on. Saddles do not cause pain when put on properly. Girths do not cause pain when done properly. Whips do not cause pain when used as an extension of the arm or to administer a light tap on the shoulder. Bits cause pain if used incorrectly. When used correctly they are a guiding tool which only uses pressure. Not pain. When a rider is in the saddle their position has been developed over the years until we finally found the perfect position which allows us to sit upright and balanced, whilst in a good place on the horse to prevent injury. There is also things such as boots to prevent horses from kicking their legs and getting injured. A good rider reads the horses body language and do what they are supposed to do they can keep or achieve the correct body language for the situation. Saying horse riding is abuse purely because there’s people who don’t do it correctly and carefully is like saying just because one of you did it wrong nobody can do it now. Also comparing a dog to a horse is extremely unfair. Horses are built very different to dogs. I like your video however a lot of your points have been proven wrong.

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